Butch Cassidy And The Sundance Kid

The positioning you want if you live and die by your expertise

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“Looks like you just about cleaned everybody out, fella. You haven’t lost a hand since you got the deal. What’s your secret of your success?”

“Prayer.”

Let’s see if you recognize this magical Hollywood scene, and if you can spot the influence and positioning lesson within.

The scene in set in a Wild West saloon. Some cowboys are playing blackjack. One cowboy has been winning. ​​Too much.

“You’re a hell of a card player,” says one of the other cowboys. “I know, cause I’m a hell of a card player. And I can’t even spot how you’re cheating.”

All the other cowboys push away from the table in a hurry. The accusing card player stands up. His hand is hovering at his hip, next to his gun.

“The money stays,” the accuser says. “And you go.”

I’ll continue the scene in a sec. I would just like to point out this is also likely to be how your prospects size up you and your business. “The money stays,” they say. “And you go.”

Moving on:

Suddenly, a new figure enters the scene.

This new guy is friendly and cheery. He goes over to the possibly cheating card player, who’s still seated. The new guy tries to pull the possible cheater out of the saloon before a gunfight goes down. But the guy won’t budge.

“I wasn’t cheating,” he says. “If he invites us to stay, then we’ll go.”

So now there’s this tense three-way standoff.

The accusing cowboy, standing and ready to draw his gun. The possibly cheating cowboy, still seated and looking cool and a little sad. And the third guy, cheery and helpful, trying to negotiate between the two of them.

“What would you think about maybe asking us to stick around?” the cheery guy says to the accusing cowboy. “You don’t have to mean it or nothing, just ask us—” But he gets shoved out of the way.

The cheery guy sighs and hangs his head. He turns to the seated, possibly cheating cowboy and says, “I can’t help you, Sundance.”

Suddenly the accuser, who was ready to draw his gun a second before, opens his eyes wide. Then he starts blinking.

“I didn’t know you were the Sundance Kid when I said you were cheating. If I draw on you, you’ll kill me.”

Sundance finally stands up from the table. “There’s that possibility,” he says.

But nobody dies in this scene, because, against all odds, the accusing cowboy decides to invite Sundance and his partner, Butch, to stick around.

“Thanks, but we gotta get going,” says Butch. So the two friends collect the money off the table, take a last sip of whisky, and head on out the door.

This magical scene, as you may have guessed, comes from Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid, which won the Oscar for best screenplay in 1969. It’s one of my favorite films.

As for the influence and positioning lesson — well, I’ll leave you to think about that.

It’s particularly worth thinking about if you make a living via your expertise, your undeniable skill, in a world filled with other with other cowboys who might be faster draws than you are.

Because here’s what doesn’t happen in the scene above. There’s no demonstration of skill. No guns being drawn. There’s not even any bluster or talk of how fast anybody is. There’s just the mention of a name — Sundance.

I’ll write more about that one day soon.

Meanwhile if this topic interests you, take a look at my 10 Commandments of A-List Copywriters. Not just for the content inside.

But for the fact that, out of tens of thousands of people who have worked as copywriters over the past century, there are just 10 that I thought worthy to highlight in this book.

How did they get to have that status and influence?

Well, you can get an idea of that by seeing how I talk about them in the book. To get that at an atrociously high price:

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The BYAF compliance method

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“Can I move? I’m better when I move.”

There’s a sexy scene in the 1969 classic Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid:

Butch and Sundance are American outlaws who have run away to Bolivia. They’re trying to get work at a Bolivian silver mine.

The boss at the mine wants to see if either Butch or Sundance can shoot a gun. What a joke. Sundance is the fastest and deadliest gun in the West.

So the boss throws a rock 30 feet away. “Hit that,” he says.

Sundance straightens his arm… takes aim… fires and misses.
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The boss spits on the ground. He turns around and starts to walk away.

“Can I move?” Sundance asks.

“Move?” the boss says. “What the hell you mean move?”

In a split second, Sundance squats down, pulls out his gun, shoots the rock and then shoots it again while it’s midair, splitting it in two.

In other words:​​

It’s not common sense… but sometimes you get better results if you give people some space to move.

A while back, I read an academic paper about something called the BYAF compliance method.

​​BYAF = but you are free.

​​You make a request, and you tell people they are free to say no. It’s supposed to double the number of yeses you get.

It also goes against all copywriting dogma.

​​Copywriters will tell you that you should close off all doors… conclusively answer all objections… and PUSH PUSH PUSH for the sale.

So who’s right?

The BYAF crowd has 42 scientific studies on its side.

​​The “slam all the doors shut” copywriters have hundreds of millions or billions of dollars worth of sales behind them.

You might think the conclusion is clear. But I think it really depends on who you’re dealing with.

For example, Jim Camp was a negotiation expert who worked with Fortune 500 execs while they negotiated multi-billion-dollar deals.

One of the big tenets of his negotiation system was allowing people to say no.

​​It didn’t mean ending the negotiation… in fact, no was just the beginning.

Because Camp said that in the kinds of negotiations he was involved in, “slamming all the doors shut” so your prospect feels caged in and only has the option you want him to take… well, that was a recipe for an abrupt end to the negotiation, without ever being welcome back for round two.

Does this apply in copywriting?

I definitely think so.

Sure, there are markets where people need you to be a German Shepherd, barking at them so they make their way into the fold in an orderly fashion.

​​But there are other markets, equally as profitable or more so, where it’s better to allow people to move before you ask them to shoot.

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Don’t you get sick of being right all the time?

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“What do you think? I bet it’s just one guy.”

Butch Cassidy. The Sundance Kid. Their last day on Earth. ​​The two outlaws have just ridden into a Bolivian town to have a meal… and somebody starts shooting at them.

They run for cover inside a saloon.

Butch is the brains of the operation and forever the optimist. “What do you think?” he says to Sundance. “I bet it’s just one guy.”

Sundance takes off his hat and pokes it out the door. An army of guns goes off immediately. A dozen bullets whiz through the hat. Sundance stares at Butch.

“Don’t you get sick of being right all the time?”

Well? Don’t you?

Today I want to share an unpleasant but valuable truth with you. You may or may not be ready to hear it.

I first heard it from John Carlton. John says:

In order to persuade large groups of people to buy, act now, or even just begin to see your side of things… you have to see the world as it is.

Not as you wish it was. Not as you believe it should be. Not as you were told it was.

As it is. The stark, cold reality of how things actually work, and how people actually behave.

This is often scary, at first. It requires you to look behind your go-to belief systems (which you may have had since you were a kid)… to challenge authority’s version of what’s going on… and — most important — you must willingly exit the shared delusion among the majority of your fellow humans that what they say they’ll do is more important than what they actually do.

That’s not the only shared delusion among us fellow humans. There are plenty of others.

​​Such as “The One Thing”… the simple, black-and-white explanation… the leader to be obeyed or the charlatan to be mocked.

We all want to believe the world works like this. And there’s a lot of money to be made by telling people what they want to hear.

​​But like Carlton says, to make that money, it might be helpful to see the world as it is, rather than as you wish it were. Even if it means you’ll stop being right all the time.

But you know what? I’m not really talking to you. I’m talking to myself. Because check it:

A few weeks ago, I decided to unsubscribe from Ben Settle’s Email Players newsletter. I was subscribed for over 4 years. But I had my reasons to quit.

Ben is somebody I’ve learned the most from, both directly and indirectly, about this copywriting and marketing stuff. And yet, since unsubscribing from his newsletter, I notice my brain trying to make things black-and-white. To discount the things I’ve learned from him. To put them in a box of things I’ve outgrown.

My brain wants to be right. But I want to be rich.

So for your benefit as well as my own, over the next several days, I’ll tell you a few of the great things I’ve learned from Ben Settle. A few things… because there’s no “The One Thing.”

Put together, these great ideas were a central part of the success I’ve achieved so far. Perhaps they can help you too. As a sneak preview of the first of these great ideas, here’s a bit of dialogue between Butch and Sundance… right before they try to shoot their way out of the saloon, against an entire battalion of Bolivian soldiers and police:

Butch: Australia. I thought that secretly you wanted to know so I told you.

Sundance: That’s your great idea?

Butch: The latest in a long line. We get out of here alive, we go to Australia. Goodbye, Bolivia. Hello to Australia.

From good-looking and talented to star in one easy step

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In 1969, Robert Redford was a good-looking, talented, accomplished actor. But he was not an A-list celebrity. “Throw a stick at Malibu,” said a Hollywood insider, “and you’ll hit six of him.”

And yet, after a single movie (Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid), Redford became the biggest star in Hollywood — not just for 1969, but for the entire coming decade.

In 2009 (or thereabouts), Rich Schefren was a successful and respected online entrepreneur and business coach. But he was not the no. 1 name in the Internet marketing space. He was certainly not getting mainstream attention.

And yet, after writing a single 40-page report (The Internet Business Manifesto), Schefren became a star in his field. Millions of downloads of his report followed, along with hundreds of new clients, and even the attention of big brands like Verizon.

My point is that a single piece of work can make you a breakout success. It can transform you from somebody who is skilled, prepared, and talented… into a star in your industry.

Unfortunately, I don’t have a recipe for you to become an A-list Hollywood celebrity.

I do have a good idea of how Rich achieved such big success with his Internet Business Manifesto. He’s been open with his strategies, and if you start following him online and going through all the content he’s publishing (a good use of your time), you’ll get the idea too.

However, if for some reason you don’t have time… or you hate the idea of following Rich Schefren… you’ll find the gist of Rich’s strategy in Commandment 7 of my upcoming book on valuable ideas handed down by A-list copywriters.

(Rich, by the way, is not an A-list copywriter. He’s just a very successful marketer, and somebody I’m using to illustrate a copywriting technique, which works just as well in the Internet Business Manifesto as it does in a cold traffic sales letter.)

Anyways, I’m making good progress with this little book, and it should be out by the end of this month. If you want to get notified when my book comes out, you can sign up for my daily email newsletter.

Doing a bit of selling to somebody else’s posse

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There’s a scene I love in Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid:

The local marshal is trying to start a posse. The crowd seems undecided and the marshal’s getting really worked up.

Finally, a man from the crowd stands next to the marshal. Is the tide finally turning in the marshal’s favor?

“Here’s what I say,” says the other man. “I say, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, friends and enemies, meet the future!”

It turns out this guy is a salesman — promoting this shiny new invention called a bicycle.

“What in the hell do you think you’re doing?” says the bewildered marshal.

The bicycle salesman shrugs. “You got the crowd together, so I thought I’d do a bit of selling.”

Well, what worked in the Wild West works still. If you want to do some easy selling, find somebody who has already gathered a crowd.

The good news is, there’s this shiny new invention called a podcast. Usually it’s got a host, who’s gone to a great deal of trouble to assemble his own posse. Strange enough, but a lot of these podcast hosts will let you come on their show… talk yourself silly… and do a bit of selling.

Now odds are, you’ve known all about this for a long time. So why haven’t you done anything about it? Perhaps, you didn’t have a list of podcasts that are a good fit for what you’re selling.

That’s what I want to share with you today. It’s a search engine, specifically for podcasts topics, hosts, and guests.

I just used it to quickly track down a list of two dozen podcasts I could go after. All I did was type in the names of some people in the industry where I sell. And if you want to do the same, here’s the link where you can access this posse search engine:

https://www.listennotes.com/