The detective sat at the corner of the table, looking the suspect in the face.
The suspect sighed. “What are my options?” he asked.
“Well,” the detective said, “I don’t think you want the coldblooded psychopath option. I might be wrong. Because I’ve met guys who enjoyed the notoriety. Who got off on having that label. I don’t see that in you. If I saw that in you I wouldn’t be back here, talking to you.”
The suspect sighed again. He gave a sad little smile and nodded.
“But maybe I’m wrong,” the detective continued. “Maybe you got me fooled. I don’t know.”
At this, the suspect locked up. He stared at the floor. He didn’t say anything for a while.
“Russell,” the detective said, “what are we gonna do?”
The suspect took a breath. He looked at the detective directly and said, “Call me Russ, please.”
That’s the climax from the 10-hour interrogation of Russell Williams.
Williams was a colonel in the Canadian Armed Forces, and an army pilot who had flown Queen Elizabeth II, the Duke of Edinburgh, and the Prime Minister of Canada.
But away from his picture-perfect military career, Williams had a very, very dark side.
Between 2007 and 2010, he started breaking into homes — 82 in all.
During the early breakins, he would photograph himself wearing women’s underwear and then sneak out. In time, this escalated to sexual assault. And then, it escalated further, to rapes and two murders.
The police had some evidence to tie Williams to one of the crime scenes. They had him come in for questioning.
Over the course of the interrogation, Williams started to realize he was in serious trouble. But really, all the police had on him was circumstantial evidence. He could have called for a lawyer, and who knows how the case would have gone.
And then came that exchange up top. It was the climax of the investigation.
Very soon after that exchange, Williams agreed to tell the police where he had hidden the body of Jessica Lloyd, his final victim. This effectively sealed the case, and led to Williams’s full confession.
It might seem gruesome to look for persuasion tactics in murder investigations. But such is life. Because the same stuff that works to influence a coldblooded psychopath works in general too.
Let me point out what happened in that climactic exchange above:
The detective first paid Williams a compliment (“I don’t see that in you”). Williams smiled and nodded at the compliment.
But then the detective snatched the compliment away (“But maybe I’m wrong”). Williams felt that loss.
If, like me, you know anything about the world of pick up artists, you might recognize this technique. Pick up artists call it the push-pull.
Copywriters use it too. Here’s an example from the start of a Dan Kennedy sales letter:
“Truth is, most people give lip-service to ambition, but secretly are not all that eager or determined. This is only for those very, very serious and determined to create excellent income and steady flow of good clients, for a real freelance business. If you’re content making just a few hundred dollars a month on the side, an occasional assignment now and then, really just having a nice money hobby, there’s nothing wrong with that – but you can stop reading this now.”
Again, it might seem gruesome to compare sales copy to a rape and murder investigation. And maybe I’m just trying to justify my morbid and scattershot interests.
But the truth is, there are powerful persuasion lessons all around.
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